Wealth Watch Iraq News Late Night CHAT 09-04-2015 - WORLD ECONOMICS, THE DOLLAR'S STANDING, IRAQ, IRAN & MORE!!!! OOTW & The Gang
[2015-09-04 19:09:38] Butifldrm: Hello everyone [:grin:]
[2015-09-04 19:10:10] Butifldrm: chattels hope you are doing well
[2015-09-04 19:10:30] chattels: there is no compromise for the fanatical
[2015-09-04 19:09:38] Butifldrm: Hello everyone [:grin:]
[2015-09-04 19:10:10] Butifldrm: chattels hope you are doing well
[2015-09-04 19:10:30] chattels: there is no compromise for the fanatical
[2015-09-04 19:09:38] Butifldrm: Hello everyone [:grin:]
[2015-09-04 19:10:10] Butifldrm: chattels hope you are doing well
[2015-09-04 19:10:30] chattels: there is no compromise for the fanatical
[2015-09-04 19:10:36] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› ‹@Butifldrm› ‹@Butifldrm›
[2015-09-04 19:11:00] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› not bad, thank you, and you ?
[2015-09-04 19:11:01] Butifldrm: I know I have been away for a while but I am back now
[2015-09-04 19:11:50] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› welcome back - do you bring words of wisdom and revelation for us ?
[2015-09-04 19:12:01] BOBBY: Butifldrm....... welcome back
[2015-09-04 19:12:15] Butifldrm: I see you all are discussing some geopolitical things
[2015-09-04 19:13:11] Butifldrm: Words of wisdom.........Hum get out of the stock market [:grin:]
[2015-09-04 19:13:31] Butifldrm: I have been in cash for some time now
[2015-09-04 19:13:35] chattels: the danger in the merger of state and religion and comparative differences in our constitution and Iraq's
[2015-09-04 19:13:40] BOBBY: [lol]
[2015-09-04 19:14:14] Butifldrm: there are 26 world economies now including the top three in a sovereign debt crisis
[2015-09-04 19:14:55] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› never owned a stock in my life for better or worse
[2015-09-04 19:15:05] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› there is danger in our own country right now, just as in Iraq
[2015-09-04 19:15:22] Butifldrm: We see a huge mess in all countries
[2015-09-04 19:15:22] BOBBY: Chattels. ...... Seems like the religious pressure has yielded results
[2015-09-04 19:16:04] Butifldrm: Iraq is a victim of religious/sectarian war
[2015-09-04 19:16:19] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› you are a smart man
[2015-09-04 19:17:01] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› very kind and generous of you to so say
[2015-09-04 19:17:17] Butifldrm: I love the fact in Iraq that the Sistani is still after the government to reform the judiciary
[2015-09-04 19:18:18] Butifldrm: because they/Iraq cannot reform to rule of law unless the guilty are brought to judgement
[2015-09-04 19:19:18] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› ‹@chattels› have you notices it's not just Iraq?
[2015-09-04 19:19:31] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have some concern that if all of the guilty are judged that there will be no one left to lead
[2015-09-04 19:19:54] Butifldrm: Just about every country in the world is corrupt and the corruption is being brought to light
[2015-09-04 19:20:12] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› absolutely
[2015-09-04 19:20:34] Butifldrm: This has been a huge concern of mine
[2015-09-04 19:20:40] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ........ Any thoughts on what this may lead to?
[2015-09-04 19:20:58] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have been talking about " scapegoating " for some time now
[2015-09-04 19:21:13] Butifldrm: As of Iraq, I see corruption at the worst
[2015-09-04 19:21:26] Butifldrm: the loss of 312 Billion
[2015-09-04 19:21:41] Butifldrm: the people are starving and no jobs
[2015-09-04 19:21:52] Butifldrm: Iraq is in collapse
[2015-09-04 19:22:03] chattels: History and justice are often determined by the powerful
[2015-09-04 19:22:06] Butifldrm: They have a huge liquidity problem
[2015-09-04 19:22:35] Butifldrm: they can't pay anyone because they have not diversified their economy
[2015-09-04 19:22:50] Butifldrm: the people in charge were too busy steeling
[2015-09-04 19:23:18] Butifldrm: truth is if anyone can turn this around, it's Abadi
[2015-09-04 19:23:47] chattels: I have few illusions about absolute justice temporally, but I do hope for the perception of it and a workable reform outcome
[2015-09-04 19:24:16] Butifldrm: So let me go her. Iraq is not the only country in the same shape
[2015-09-04 19:24:35] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› me too
[2015-09-04 19:24:59] Butifldrm: I see the cup half full
[2015-09-04 19:25:36] Butifldrm: Truly I know the USA is in much worse financial state than Iraq.
[2015-09-04 19:25:53] Butifldrm: Iraq cannot print its way to prosperity
[2015-09-04 19:26:04] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ........ That is a bold statement
[2015-09-04 19:26:13] Butifldrm: we need to hold on to our beliefs
[2015-09-04 19:27:07] Butifldrm: Bobby look at the debt to GDP ratio for Iraq compared to the United States
[2015-09-04 19:27:17] Butifldrm: it's not bold it's the truth
[2015-09-04 19:27:46] BOBBY: I am in agreement
[2015-09-04 19:27:49] Butifldrm: we just have the blessing of the petro dollar and the ability to print money
[2015-09-04 19:28:29] Butifldrm: look how much money the people of Iraq loose converting the IQD into dollars
[2015-09-04 19:28:52] Oneness: actually blessings of king of Saudi to use dollars for petro
[2015-09-04 19:29:28] BOBBY: I do not believe there is any short term fix
[2015-09-04 19:29:33] Oneness: but when king passed away ... another reality started to emerge
[2015-09-04 19:30:09] chattels: most every economic system is a house of cards dependent upon the perception and confidence of its participants
[2015-09-04 19:30:20] BOBBY: Oneness.... evening
[2015-09-04 19:30:33] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› yes, I was surprised to see that Saudi would still continue to give hold to the petro dollar and that came out last week
[2015-09-04 19:31:08] Butifldrm: China, is the key here
[2015-09-04 19:31:08] chattels: when we are not the reserve currency of the world we will be in big trouble
[2015-09-04 19:31:09] Oneness: hey bobby ... great seeing you here ...good discussion group forming
[2015-09-04 19:31:39] Oneness: moving into ... a new world order
[2015-09-04 19:31:43] BOBBY: Oneness....... agreed
[2015-09-04 19:31:55] Butifldrm: China has sold over 100B of USD bonds in the past two weeks
[2015-09-04 19:32:09] Oneness: wow
[2015-09-04 19:32:24] Butifldrm: You don't see that on Fox news
[2015-09-04 19:32:33] Butifldrm: but it was in the WSJ
[2015-09-04 19:32:45] Oneness: wow
[2015-09-04 19:32:57] Butifldrm: They devalued their currency by selling our bonds
[2015-09-04 19:33:07] Butifldrm: look it up
[2015-09-04 19:33:27] Butifldrm: China holds much more of our debt
[2015-09-04 19:33:42] Oneness: ... so where do the dollars go...?
[2015-09-04 19:33:43] Butifldrm: when they sell our debt who buys it?
[2015-09-04 19:33:50] Butifldrm: we do
[2015-09-04 19:34:00] Butifldrm: and our national debt goes up
[2015-09-04 19:34:16] Oneness: viscous cycle then I suppose
[2015-09-04 19:34:23] BOBBY: a vicious circle
[2015-09-04 19:34:33] Butifldrm: viscous for us
[2015-09-04 19:34:54] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› what is your belief as to the amount of U.S. dollars in circulation or does anyone know?
[2015-09-04 19:35:23] Butifldrm: do you know that Jack Lew has sent multiple letters to congress to increase our debt limit since March
[2015-09-04 19:36:03] Oneness: ... replacing Hamilton with a women ... just to show us how lonely and great and powerful our bank is ... [:dizzy:]
[2015-09-04 19:36:28] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Same question for IQD if you care to opine?
[2015-09-04 19:37:08] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› We are about 19 trillion in debt, even if we found that number i probably would not believe it because of the market manipulation
[2015-09-04 19:38:14] Butifldrm: chattels, the same answer, the corruption in Iraq! Who could believe any number that comes out of there?
[2015-09-04 19:38:22] Butifldrm: think about this
[2015-09-04 19:38:49] Butifldrm: so we see from articles that Iraq has 38-40 Trillion Dinar in circulation
[2015-09-04 19:39:41] whitelions: ‹@Oneness› What’s wrong with replacing Hamilton with a women if she is qualified ?
[2015-09-04 19:39:51] Butifldrm: but we see article this week that North Bank cannot give people money from their deposits because of a lack of liquidity
[2015-09-04 19:40:15] Butifldrm: Iraq has a liquidity problem
[2015-09-04 19:40:21] Oneness: and ... do you think there is a record of every cbi bank note .... serial numbers on all 40 trillion notes stored in computer records somewhere?
[2015-09-04 19:40:46] Oneness: i think Hamilton opposed the central bank
[2015-09-04 19:40:48] Butifldrm: they do not have the money in circulation to provide for investment
[2015-09-04 19:41:06] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› yes
[2015-09-04 19:42:03] Oneness: so ... what better way to thumb your nose at those who value great men ... replace them with a women?
[2015-09-04 19:42:04] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ...... So in your opinion, what is needed?
[2015-09-04 19:42:13] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› I believe Iraq as long as the rest of the World is going to see some sort of reset
[2015-09-04 19:43:04] Butifldrm: Iraq is experiencing what we will experience here if this does not happen
[2015-09-04 19:43:33] Oneness: agreed
[2015-09-04 19:43:51] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I wonder how much IQD is outside of Iraq as opposed to inside of Iraq?
[2015-09-04 19:44:00] Butifldrm: I pray to God for mercy
[2015-09-04 19:44:19] Oneness: agreed, amen
[2015-09-04 19:45:08] BOBBY: Chattels. ...... I often wondered how much was smuggled out off the record
[2015-09-04 19:45:16] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› would a sovereign investor holding large amounts of IQD be a prime position for investment in Iraq at the right time?
[2015-09-04 19:45:47] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› China for example?
[2015-09-04 19:46:25] Butifldrm: I pray for the people of Iraq and Syria because they are victims of our devise
[2015-09-04 19:47:35] Oneness: @Butifldrm ... there are reasons, both mundane and divine in nature
[2015-09-04 19:47:50] Oneness: ^nature
[2015-09-04 19:48:18] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I have thought about the amount of currency outside of Iraq and I believe it's mostly in dollars
[2015-09-04 19:48:23] Butifldrm: dollars
[2015-09-04 19:48:40] Butifldrm: because it's being stole from the auctions
[2015-09-04 19:49:14] Oneness: so where does 40 trillion of anything end up being stored at ...?
[2015-09-04 19:49:46] Butifldrm: the sad thing is that Maliki had the ability to steal 312 B during his 8 year reign
[2015-09-04 19:50:03] Butifldrm: The people need this money now more than ever
[2015-09-04 19:50:32] Oneness: they must have phenomenal security ...... on every big note at least
[2015-09-04 19:50:46] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels I hold the Dinar because when it all shakes out Iraq has less debt than the US
[2015-09-04 19:51:44] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› interesting
[2015-09-04 19:52:51] Butifldrm: I believe the truth is that like chattels said, you have the corrupt in charge of the corrupt and how do you reform under those conditions. No one can run the Government!
[2015-09-04 19:52:54] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ...... Do you believe with the present state of affairs they could even begin to add value?
[2015-09-04 19:53:34] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› I don't thinks so
[2015-09-04 19:54:00] BOBBY: I would be in agreement
[2015-09-04 19:54:35] BOBBY: I don’t think people see the repercussion s
[2015-09-04 19:54:36] Butifldrm: When the World economic system changes, yes I will believe so!
[2015-09-04 19:54:56] Butifldrm: brb
[2015-09-04 19:55:03] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Do you assign any credibility to the possibilities of private purchase / exchange on the IQD?
[2015-09-04 20:00:41] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Hum I have not heard of any such thing
[2015-09-04 20:01:16] Butifldrm: I would not sell my Dinar to anyone
[2015-09-04 20:01:21] Butifldrm: at this time
[2015-09-04 20:01:21] Oneness: @Butifldrm .. Are you interested in Iraq’s sovereign bond sale ... ?? ... if I could I would exchange my small iqd for a bond... personally, I think even if Iraq changes forms of government, the chances are they still would honor the sovereign bonds ........ No guarantees, but, business is business and really it does not matter who writes the laws
[2015-09-04 20:02:47] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› under the rules of the Bond sale you would make about 5% I believe
[2015-09-04 20:03:19] Butifldrm: the bond sale has been extended for a month because they do not have enough investors
[2015-09-04 20:04:10] BOBBY: would you consider that an indicator?
[2015-09-04 20:04:12] Oneness: I look at the bond sale as a way to protect capital ($) from government confiscation
[2015-09-04 20:05:25] Oneness: 5% does not really matter ... especially when looking at world market fluctuations at the moment
[2015-09-04 20:06:25] Oneness: safe haven top priority
[2015-09-04 20:06:27] BOBBY: excellent discussion folks
[2015-09-04 20:06:33] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› of course to the Mainstream investor
[2015-09-04 20:07:38] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› truly investing in Iraq is a huge risk, but you have to look at the Global Picture
[2015-09-04 20:08:32] Butifldrm: the two largest economies in the Worlds are in decline
[2015-09-04 20:09:18] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... Plenty of huge companies are making their way over there
[2015-09-04 20:09:27] Butifldrm: We are at a precipice
[2015-09-04 20:09:43] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› they were
[2015-09-04 20:10:04] Butifldrm: precipice
[2015-09-04 20:10:41] Butifldrm: China has devalued their currency three times in the last two weeks
[2015-09-04 20:11:08] BOBBY: I know of some that are, I work for one
[2015-09-04 20:11:37] Butifldrm: this has affected stock markets all over the world
[2015-09-04 20:12:33] Butifldrm: Central banks including the IMF are Freaking out
[2015-09-04 20:12:49] Butifldrm: all their projections are changing
[2015-09-04 20:13:09] Butifldrm: we need to keep a close look on what is really happening
[2015-09-04 20:13:46] Butifldrm: China has been the market mover since 2008
[2015-09-04 20:14:00] Butifldrm: now their economy is slowing down
[2015-09-04 20:14:37] Butifldrm: china has had the ability to buy our debt since, but now they are selling our debt
[2015-09-04 20:15:11] Butifldrm: there is a reason
[2015-09-04 20:15:49] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... In your opinion...... what exactly should we watch for?
[2015-09-04 20:17:07] Butifldrm: Watch China
[2015-09-04 20:17:47] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› []
[2015-09-04 20:17:57] Butifldrm: Watch the BRICS response to what is happening in China
[2015-09-04 20:17:57] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› watch China do what?
[2015-09-04 20:18:05] Donnie: TY
[2015-09-04 20:18:11] BOBBY: so are you say China is tied to Iraq
[2015-09-04 20:18:33] Donnie: China is tied to the world - plus
[2015-09-04 20:18:41] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› China is tied to the Global Economy
[2015-09-04 20:18:52] BOBBY: thanks
[2015-09-04 20:18:59] Donnie: if you haven't done any reading on the Silk Road project - please enlighten yourself
[2015-09-04 20:19:10] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› what currencies dominate the Iraqi economy?
[2015-09-04 20:19:34] Donnie: The Silk Road project ties China to the ME directly/physically
[2015-09-04 20:19:52] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› absolutely
[2015-09-04 20:20:59] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› Iraq is pegged to the dollar
[2015-09-04 20:22:01] BOBBY: sorry...... got distracted.... I am back
[2015-09-04 20:22:34] Butifldrm: When China de-pegs from the dollar as they have to to become part of the SDR, we will see huge changes in the value of the dollar
[2015-09-04 20:23:54] Butifldrm: So if Iraq remains pegged to the dollar? What do you think will happen to the IQD?
[2015-09-04 20:24:12] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› shoot up
[2015-09-04 20:24:37] Oneness: wow .... Militant atheism (communist china) and Islam (Iraq).... strange bed fellas for sure ... no reason to think something could go wrong there... [:unsure:]
[2015-09-04 20:25:01] Butifldrm: For years, the IMF have begged them to move from article XIV into article VIII
[2015-09-04 20:25:56] Donnie: dollar devalues causing Dinar to increase - can be seen here http://www.xe.com/currencycharts...
[2015-09-04 20:26:01] Butifldrm: IMO Maliki stopped any movement or currency reform for he and his cronies gain
[2015-09-04 20:26:23] Butifldrm: now Iraq is suffering
[2015-09-04 20:27:25] Butifldrm: immensely
[2015-09-04 20:27:51] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› absolutely I can see that
[2015-09-04 20:29:41] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› All of us invested in the Dinar have to keep a broader outlook on the World economy
[2015-09-04 20:31:01] Butifldrm: China was buying a huge amount of Iraq's oil to sustain their past economic ventures including fakes cities
[2015-09-04 20:31:33] Butifldrm: now they too are changing their economic future
[2015-09-04 20:32:13] Butifldrm: they are slowing down on production and moving toward consumption
[2015-09-04 20:32:23] Butifldrm: It's a reset of sorts
[2015-09-04 20:33:25] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› when it comes to trade, except for Christians there are no boundaries
[2015-09-04 20:33:53] Oneness: business is business I understand that
[2015-09-04 20:34:09] Butifldrm: OOTW well sista it's good to see you
[2015-09-04 20:34:15] Butifldrm: miss you
[2015-09-04 20:34:30] Butifldrm: No I did not
[2015-09-04 20:34:30] OOTW: Miss you too so much
[2015-09-04 20:34:41] Butifldrm: Who said it?
[2015-09-04 20:35:11] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... Excellent discussion. ....... Thank you
[2015-09-04 20:35:30] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› I am sure it's going to get better
Oneness: yes ... ty Butifldrm
Butifldrm: and thank you
OOTW: Someone emailed me information that Abadi went on TV to announce he may need to suspend the constitution
Butifldrm: Oh Lord
Oneness: I hope so
Butifldrm: He may have to
OOTW: Yes
Butifldrm: truly and that would make him a Dictator
Oneness: love to see the rightful rule returned to the peoples
BOBBY: OOTW..... Hope your well tonight
Oneness: Islamic jurisprudence or whatever it’s called
OOTW: ‹@BOBBY› hugs you too
OOTW: the clerics are still strongly inciting the protestors to dissolve the judiciary. Let him suspend it. The people are angry about a lack of justice and buying power. Let the protests grow and let him dissolve the constitution. There's a plan and we just have to let it wash out.
Butifldrm: But truly what I have had read Abadi has said he would abide by the constitution for the reforms
Oneness: @ ootw ... agreed
Butifldrm: OK then I can see that
Butifldrm: Sistani basically is saying Mahmoud is gone
Butifldrm: It's in every article today
OOTW: (RECEIVED WORD THAT ABADI HELD A SPEECH ON IRAQI TV TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE TO BE SUSPENDED IN ORDER TO ENACT REFORMS) - YES AND PERHAPS ABADI HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TO DISSOLVE THE JUDICIARY
Oneness: believe it or not ... theoracry is needed for world peace
Butifldrm: WE all know that no one can be brought to justice unless the reforms are in the judiciary
OOTW: AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE THREE PRESIDENCIES ISSUE/LACK OF "CORRECT" LEGISLATION
OOTW: IDK
OOTW: YES BUTI AND I FEEL VERY GOOD THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOW STICKING TO THEIR SWORDS LOL
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› LOL what's going on now globally is far from World peace
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› I still say Abadi is the Bravest Man In World Politics today
OOTW: HE HAS TO BE AND HE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO KEEP HIS BIG BOY PANTS ON RE IRAN TOO
Butifldrm: Maliki helped write that constitution and so di the US and it was imperfect
Butifldrm: Oh yea
Butifldrm: I see it
Butifldrm: So sad for Iraw
Butifldrm: Iraq
OOTW: YES VERY SAD
Oneness: it a beautiful think for Iraq
OOTW: PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROTESTS CONTINUE AND GROW - UNTIL THE JUDICIARY IS COMPLETELY DISSOLVED
Oneness: growing and growing towards theocracy
OOTW: ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THEY WOULD NEED SOME KIND OF APPOINTED CARETAKER JUDICIARY
Butifldrm: I am so worried for the Sunni's since now the sanctions have been lifted on Iran
OOTW: YES
Butifldrm: The protest are probably mostly Sunni
Oneness: just because America likes the separation of church and state doesn’t mean the rest of the world likes it
OOTW: VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION IN THE FORUM ABOUT IRAN'S SANCTIONS AND INVESTORS PILING IN
OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
OOTW: ‹@Oneness› YES, THAT'S QUITE EVIDENT IN IRAQ
OOTW: []
Oneness: ty
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› there is no more separation between church and State in the US
BOBBY: Amazing how different the cultures are
OOTW: ‹@BOBBY› VERY TRUE
Oneness: ask the pope about church law and American law.... big differences I assure
Butifldrm: The twelve tribes of Abraham
BOBBY: Can’t say I miss that place. [lol]
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› I agree, but I know our constitution
Oneness: interesting ... I do agree with the constitution
OOTW: SORRY BUTI, DID I INTERRUPT YOU?
OOTW: YOU SEEMED TO BE ON A ROLL
OOTW: <3
Butifldrm: The constitution was written to keep the government out of the Church not the Church out of the Government HELLLOOOOOOO
Oneness: mostly I agree with the fact it can be amended
OOTW: LOL
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› Oh no!
Butifldrm: You know me
Butifldrm: I am so glad to see you
OOTW: YES AND THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING YOU HAVE MORE INFO
Butifldrm: ok Info on Iraq or the world?
OOTW: THE WORLD WOULD BE GREAT
OOTW: THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ ARE TRYING TO FORCE ISSUES...WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT
OOTW: THE WORLD SITUATION, OVERALL, WOULD BE MORE DIRE, IMHO
Butifldrm: Iraq has no Liquidity and having problems with investors.
OOTW: I HEARD A VERY INTERESTING INTERVIEW ON THE RADIO WITH A SPECIALIST ON CHINA
Butifldrm: The world economic reality makes it harder for Iraq
Butifldrm: IE... the price of oil
OOTW: HE SAID THAT THE PTB RE THE CHINESE STOCK MARKET SPENT A LONG TIME TRYING TO ENCOURAGE INVESTORS TO BOLSTER THE STOCK MARKET AND THAT THAT WAS EFFECTIVELY A FALSE PROP
OOTW: YES TRUE BUTI
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› china spent years of building empty cities
OOTW: YEAH
OOTW: HE ALSO SAID THAT YOUNGER CHINESE HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS NOW THAN TO GROW UP AND WORK IN A MANUFACTURING PLANT, SO THAT'S VERY GOOD
Butifldrm: they consumed huge amounts of oil
OOTW: JUST HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, OVERALL, WITH THEIR ECONOMY RIGHT NOW
Butifldrm: they were the market makers
OOTW: YES, I'M SURE....AND DIDN'T CHINA AND RUSSIA EMBARK ON A DEAL?
Butifldrm: now, they are slowing down their economy and IMO because they want to be part of the IMF game
OOTW: THAT MAKES SENSE TY
Butifldrm: Russia and China have been embarking on many games
OOTW: HMMM
Butifldrm: You can't build fake cities that's corruption
Butifldrm: china is addressing their black market too
OOTW: YES, IRAQ ONLY MAKES FAKE CONTRACTS AND DOESN'T GO THROUGH WITH THE PROJECT, EXCEPT THE PART WHERE MONIES CHANGE HANDS LOL
Butifldrm: too
OOTW: WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING - IT SEEMS MANY COUNTRIES ARE NOW BEING FORCED BY PTB TO DEAL WITH CORRUPTION ISSUES
OOTW: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
Butifldrm: It's amazing how many countries are addressing corruption just like Iraq
Butifldrm: LOL
OOTW: LOL
OOTW: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? LACK OF LIQUIDITY?
Butifldrm: yes, except for the US
Butifldrm: the people cannot get their money out of the banks
Butifldrm: hold on'
OOTW: K
Butifldrm: Tootsie posted an article where the people could not get deposits out of the North Bank for a lack of Liquidity
OOTW: oh yes I remember that
Butifldrm: North Bank is in Kurdistan
OOTW: hang on I’ll find it
Butifldrm: now you have to understand
Donnie: A site we don't discuss here 4h4 hours ago.... Economic parliamentary: the investment law will pass next week
Butifldrm: the government has not been paying the people
Donnie: How does he know that??? [lol]
OOTW: HERE'S THE LINK
OOTW: http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1895
[2015-09-04 19:10:10] Butifldrm: chattels hope you are doing well
[2015-09-04 19:10:30] chattels: there is no compromise for the fanatical
[2015-09-04 19:10:36] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› ‹@Butifldrm› ‹@Butifldrm›
[2015-09-04 19:11:00] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› not bad, thank you, and you ?
[2015-09-04 19:11:01] Butifldrm: I know I have been away for a while but I am back now
[2015-09-04 19:11:50] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› welcome back - do you bring words of wisdom and revelation for us ?
[2015-09-04 19:12:01] BOBBY: Butifldrm....... welcome back
[2015-09-04 19:12:15] Butifldrm: I see you all are discussing some geopolitical things
[2015-09-04 19:13:11] Butifldrm: Words of wisdom.........Hum get out of the stock market [:grin:]
[2015-09-04 19:13:31] Butifldrm: I have been in cash for some time now
[2015-09-04 19:13:35] chattels: the danger in the merger of state and religion and comparative differences in our constitution and Iraq's
[2015-09-04 19:13:40] BOBBY: [lol]
[2015-09-04 19:14:14] Butifldrm: there are 26 world economies now including the top three in a sovereign debt crisis
[2015-09-04 19:14:55] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› never owned a stock in my life for better or worse
[2015-09-04 19:15:05] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› there is danger in our own country right now, just as in Iraq
[2015-09-04 19:15:22] Butifldrm: We see a huge mess in all countries
[2015-09-04 19:15:22] BOBBY: Chattels. ...... Seems like the religious pressure has yielded results
[2015-09-04 19:16:04] Butifldrm: Iraq is a victim of religious/sectarian war
[2015-09-04 19:16:19] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› you are a smart man
[2015-09-04 19:17:01] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› very kind and generous of you to so say
[2015-09-04 19:17:17] Butifldrm: I love the fact in Iraq that the Sistani is still after the government to reform the judiciary
[2015-09-04 19:18:18] Butifldrm: because they/Iraq cannot reform to rule of law unless the guilty are brought to judgement
[2015-09-04 19:19:18] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› ‹@chattels› have you notices it's not just Iraq?
[2015-09-04 19:19:31] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have some concern that if all of the guilty are judged that there will be no one left to lead
[2015-09-04 19:19:54] Butifldrm: Just about every country in the world is corrupt and the corruption is being brought to light
[2015-09-04 19:20:12] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› absolutely
[2015-09-04 19:20:34] Butifldrm: This has been a huge concern of mine
[2015-09-04 19:20:40] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ........ Any thoughts on what this may lead to?
[2015-09-04 19:20:58] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have been talking about " scapegoating " for some time now
[2015-09-04 19:21:13] Butifldrm: As of Iraq, I see corruption at the worst
[2015-09-04 19:21:26] Butifldrm: the loss of 312 Billion
[2015-09-04 19:21:41] Butifldrm: the people are starving and no jobs
[2015-09-04 19:21:52] Butifldrm: Iraq is in collapse
[2015-09-04 19:22:03] chattels: History and justice are often determined by the powerful
[2015-09-04 19:22:06] Butifldrm: They have a huge liquidity problem
[2015-09-04 19:22:35] Butifldrm: they can't pay anyone because they have not diversified their economy
[2015-09-04 19:22:50] Butifldrm: the people in charge were too busy steeling
[2015-09-04 19:23:18] Butifldrm: truth is if anyone can turn this around, it's Abadi
[2015-09-04 19:23:47] chattels: I have few illusions about absolute justice temporally, but I do hope for the perception of it and a workable reform outcome
[2015-09-04 19:24:16] Butifldrm: So let me go her. Iraq is not the only country in the same shape
[2015-09-04 19:24:35] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› me too
[2015-09-04 19:24:59] Butifldrm: I see the cup half full
[2015-09-04 19:25:36] Butifldrm: Truly I know the USA is in much worse financial state than Iraq.
[2015-09-04 19:25:53] Butifldrm: Iraq cannot print its way to prosperity
[2015-09-04 19:26:04] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ........ That is a bold statement
[2015-09-04 19:26:13] Butifldrm: we need to hold on to our beliefs
[2015-09-04 19:27:07] Butifldrm: Bobby look at the debt to GDP ratio for Iraq compared to the United States
[2015-09-04 19:27:17] Butifldrm: it's not bold it's the truth
[2015-09-04 19:27:46] BOBBY: I am in agreement
[2015-09-04 19:27:49] Butifldrm: we just have the blessing of the petro dollar and the ability to print money
[2015-09-04 19:28:29] Butifldrm: look how much money the people of Iraq loose converting the IQD into dollars
[2015-09-04 19:28:52] Oneness: actually blessings of king of Saudi to use dollars for petro
[2015-09-04 19:29:28] BOBBY: I do not believe there is any short term fix
[2015-09-04 19:29:33] Oneness: but when king passed away ... another reality started to emerge
[2015-09-04 19:30:09] chattels: most every economic system is a house of cards dependent upon the perception and confidence of its participants
[2015-09-04 19:30:20] BOBBY: Oneness.... evening
[2015-09-04 19:30:33] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› yes, I was surprised to see that Saudi would still continue to give hold to the petro dollar and that came out last week
[2015-09-04 19:31:08] Butifldrm: China, is the key here
[2015-09-04 19:31:08] chattels: when we are not the reserve currency of the world we will be in big trouble
[2015-09-04 19:31:09] Oneness: hey bobby ... great seeing you here ...good discussion group forming
[2015-09-04 19:31:39] Oneness: moving into ... a new world order
[2015-09-04 19:31:43] BOBBY: Oneness....... agreed
[2015-09-04 19:31:55] Butifldrm: China has sold over 100B of USD bonds in the past two weeks
[2015-09-04 19:32:09] Oneness: wow
[2015-09-04 19:32:24] Butifldrm: You don't see that on Fox news
[2015-09-04 19:32:33] Butifldrm: but it was in the WSJ
[2015-09-04 19:32:45] Oneness: wow
[2015-09-04 19:32:57] Butifldrm: They devalued their currency by selling our bonds
[2015-09-04 19:33:07] Butifldrm: look it up
[2015-09-04 19:33:27] Butifldrm: China holds much more of our debt
[2015-09-04 19:33:42] Oneness: ... so where do the dollars go...?
[2015-09-04 19:33:43] Butifldrm: when they sell our debt who buys it?
[2015-09-04 19:33:50] Butifldrm: we do
[2015-09-04 19:34:00] Butifldrm: and our national debt goes up
[2015-09-04 19:34:16] Oneness: viscous cycle then I suppose
[2015-09-04 19:34:23] BOBBY: a vicious circle
[2015-09-04 19:34:33] Butifldrm: viscous for us
[2015-09-04 19:34:54] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› what is your belief as to the amount of U.S. dollars in circulation or does anyone know?
[2015-09-04 19:35:23] Butifldrm: do you know that Jack Lew has sent multiple letters to congress to increase our debt limit since March
[2015-09-04 19:36:03] Oneness: ... replacing Hamilton with a women ... just to show us how lonely and great and powerful our bank is ... [:dizzy:]
[2015-09-04 19:36:28] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Same question for IQD if you care to opine?
[2015-09-04 19:37:08] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› We are about 19 trillion in debt, even if we found that number i probably would not believe it because of the market manipulation
[2015-09-04 19:38:14] Butifldrm: chattels, the same answer, the corruption in Iraq! Who could believe any number that comes out of there?
[2015-09-04 19:38:22] Butifldrm: think about this
[2015-09-04 19:38:49] Butifldrm: so we see from articles that Iraq has 38-40 Trillion Dinar in circulation
[2015-09-04 19:39:41] whitelions: ‹@Oneness› What’s wrong with replacing Hamilton with a women if she is qualified ?
[2015-09-04 19:39:51] Butifldrm: but we see article this week that North Bank cannot give people money from their deposits because of a lack of liquidity
[2015-09-04 19:40:15] Butifldrm: Iraq has a liquidity problem
[2015-09-04 19:40:21] Oneness: and ... do you think there is a record of every cbi bank note .... serial numbers on all 40 trillion notes stored in computer records somewhere?
[2015-09-04 19:40:46] Oneness: i think Hamilton opposed the central bank
[2015-09-04 19:40:48] Butifldrm: they do not have the money in circulation to provide for investment
[2015-09-04 19:41:06] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› yes
[2015-09-04 19:42:03] Oneness: so ... what better way to thumb your nose at those who value great men ... replace them with a women?
[2015-09-04 19:42:04] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ...... So in your opinion, what is needed?
[2015-09-04 19:42:13] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› I believe Iraq as long as the rest of the World is going to see some sort of reset
[2015-09-04 19:43:04] Butifldrm: Iraq is experiencing what we will experience here if this does not happen
[2015-09-04 19:43:33] Oneness: agreed
[2015-09-04 19:43:51] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I wonder how much IQD is outside of Iraq as opposed to inside of Iraq?
[2015-09-04 19:44:00] Butifldrm: I pray to God for mercy
[2015-09-04 19:44:19] Oneness: agreed, amen
[2015-09-04 19:45:08] BOBBY: Chattels. ...... I often wondered how much was smuggled out off the record
[2015-09-04 19:45:16] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› would a sovereign investor holding large amounts of IQD be a prime position for investment in Iraq at the right time?
[2015-09-04 19:45:47] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› China for example?
[2015-09-04 19:46:25] Butifldrm: I pray for the people of Iraq and Syria because they are victims of our devise
[2015-09-04 19:47:35] Oneness: @Butifldrm ... there are reasons, both mundane and divine in nature
[2015-09-04 19:47:50] Oneness: ^nature
[2015-09-04 19:48:18] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I have thought about the amount of currency outside of Iraq and I believe it's mostly in dollars
[2015-09-04 19:48:23] Butifldrm: dollars
[2015-09-04 19:48:40] Butifldrm: because it's being stole from the auctions
[2015-09-04 19:49:14] Oneness: so where does 40 trillion of anything end up being stored at ...?
[2015-09-04 19:49:46] Butifldrm: the sad thing is that Maliki had the ability to steal 312 B during his 8 year reign
[2015-09-04 19:50:03] Butifldrm: The people need this money now more than ever
[2015-09-04 19:50:32] Oneness: they must have phenomenal security ...... on every big note at least
[2015-09-04 19:50:46] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels I hold the Dinar because when it all shakes out Iraq has less debt than the US
[2015-09-04 19:51:44] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› interesting
[2015-09-04 19:52:51] Butifldrm: I believe the truth is that like chattels said, you have the corrupt in charge of the corrupt and how do you reform under those conditions. No one can run the Government!
[2015-09-04 19:52:54] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ...... Do you believe with the present state of affairs they could even begin to add value?
[2015-09-04 19:53:34] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› I don't thinks so
[2015-09-04 19:54:00] BOBBY: I would be in agreement
[2015-09-04 19:54:35] BOBBY: I don’t think people see the repercussion s
[2015-09-04 19:54:36] Butifldrm: When the World economic system changes, yes I will believe so!
[2015-09-04 19:54:56] Butifldrm: brb
[2015-09-04 19:55:03] chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Do you assign any credibility to the possibilities of private purchase / exchange on the IQD?
[2015-09-04 20:00:41] Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Hum I have not heard of any such thing
[2015-09-04 20:01:16] Butifldrm: I would not sell my Dinar to anyone
[2015-09-04 20:01:21] Butifldrm: at this time
[2015-09-04 20:01:21] Oneness: @Butifldrm .. Are you interested in Iraq’s sovereign bond sale ... ?? ... if I could I would exchange my small iqd for a bond... personally, I think even if Iraq changes forms of government, the chances are they still would honor the sovereign bonds ........ No guarantees, but, business is business and really it does not matter who writes the laws
[2015-09-04 20:02:47] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› under the rules of the Bond sale you would make about 5% I believe
[2015-09-04 20:03:19] Butifldrm: the bond sale has been extended for a month because they do not have enough investors
[2015-09-04 20:04:10] BOBBY: would you consider that an indicator?
[2015-09-04 20:04:12] Oneness: I look at the bond sale as a way to protect capital ($) from government confiscation
[2015-09-04 20:05:25] Oneness: 5% does not really matter ... especially when looking at world market fluctuations at the moment
[2015-09-04 20:06:25] Oneness: safe haven top priority
[2015-09-04 20:06:27] BOBBY: excellent discussion folks
[2015-09-04 20:06:33] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› of course to the Mainstream investor
[2015-09-04 20:07:38] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› truly investing in Iraq is a huge risk, but you have to look at the Global Picture
[2015-09-04 20:08:32] Butifldrm: the two largest economies in the Worlds are in decline
[2015-09-04 20:09:18] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... Plenty of huge companies are making their way over there
[2015-09-04 20:09:27] Butifldrm: We are at a precipice
[2015-09-04 20:09:43] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› they were
[2015-09-04 20:10:04] Butifldrm: precipice
[2015-09-04 20:10:41] Butifldrm: China has devalued their currency three times in the last two weeks
[2015-09-04 20:11:08] BOBBY: I know of some that are, I work for one
[2015-09-04 20:11:37] Butifldrm: this has affected stock markets all over the world
[2015-09-04 20:12:33] Butifldrm: Central banks including the IMF are Freaking out
[2015-09-04 20:12:49] Butifldrm: all their projections are changing
[2015-09-04 20:13:09] Butifldrm: we need to keep a close look on what is really happening
[2015-09-04 20:13:46] Butifldrm: China has been the market mover since 2008
[2015-09-04 20:14:00] Butifldrm: now their economy is slowing down
[2015-09-04 20:14:37] Butifldrm: china has had the ability to buy our debt since, but now they are selling our debt
[2015-09-04 20:15:11] Butifldrm: there is a reason
[2015-09-04 20:15:49] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... In your opinion...... what exactly should we watch for?
[2015-09-04 20:17:07] Butifldrm: Watch China
[2015-09-04 20:17:47] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› []
[2015-09-04 20:17:57] Butifldrm: Watch the BRICS response to what is happening in China
[2015-09-04 20:17:57] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› watch China do what?
[2015-09-04 20:18:05] Donnie: TY
[2015-09-04 20:18:11] BOBBY: so are you say China is tied to Iraq
[2015-09-04 20:18:33] Donnie: China is tied to the world - plus
[2015-09-04 20:18:41] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› China is tied to the Global Economy
[2015-09-04 20:18:52] BOBBY: thanks
[2015-09-04 20:18:59] Donnie: if you haven't done any reading on the Silk Road project - please enlighten yourself
[2015-09-04 20:19:10] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› what currencies dominate the Iraqi economy?
[2015-09-04 20:19:34] Donnie: The Silk Road project ties China to the ME directly/physically
[2015-09-04 20:19:52] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› absolutely
[2015-09-04 20:20:59] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› Iraq is pegged to the dollar
[2015-09-04 20:22:01] BOBBY: sorry...... got distracted.... I am back
[2015-09-04 20:22:34] Butifldrm: When China de-pegs from the dollar as they have to to become part of the SDR, we will see huge changes in the value of the dollar
[2015-09-04 20:23:54] Butifldrm: So if Iraq remains pegged to the dollar? What do you think will happen to the IQD?
[2015-09-04 20:24:12] Donnie: ‹@Butifldrm› shoot up
[2015-09-04 20:24:37] Oneness: wow .... Militant atheism (communist china) and Islam (Iraq).... strange bed fellas for sure ... no reason to think something could go wrong there... [:unsure:]
[2015-09-04 20:25:01] Butifldrm: For years, the IMF have begged them to move from article XIV into article VIII
[2015-09-04 20:25:56] Donnie: dollar devalues causing Dinar to increase - can be seen here http://www.xe.com/currencycharts...
[2015-09-04 20:26:01] Butifldrm: IMO Maliki stopped any movement or currency reform for he and his cronies gain
[2015-09-04 20:26:23] Butifldrm: now Iraq is suffering
[2015-09-04 20:27:25] Butifldrm: immensely
[2015-09-04 20:27:51] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› absolutely I can see that
[2015-09-04 20:29:41] Butifldrm: ‹@Donnie› All of us invested in the Dinar have to keep a broader outlook on the World economy
[2015-09-04 20:31:01] Butifldrm: China was buying a huge amount of Iraq's oil to sustain their past economic ventures including fakes cities
[2015-09-04 20:31:33] Butifldrm: now they too are changing their economic future
[2015-09-04 20:32:13] Butifldrm: they are slowing down on production and moving toward consumption
[2015-09-04 20:32:23] Butifldrm: It's a reset of sorts
[2015-09-04 20:33:25] Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› when it comes to trade, except for Christians there are no boundaries
[2015-09-04 20:33:53] Oneness: business is business I understand that
[2015-09-04 20:34:09] Butifldrm: OOTW well sista it's good to see you
[2015-09-04 20:34:15] Butifldrm: miss you
[2015-09-04 20:34:30] Butifldrm: No I did not
[2015-09-04 20:34:30] OOTW: Miss you too so much
[2015-09-04 20:34:41] Butifldrm: Who said it?
[2015-09-04 20:35:11] BOBBY: Butifldrm. ....... Excellent discussion. ....... Thank you
[2015-09-04 20:35:30] Butifldrm: ‹@BOBBY› I am sure it's going to get better
Oneness: yes ... ty Butifldrm
Butifldrm: and thank you
OOTW: Someone emailed me information that Abadi went on TV to announce he may need to suspend the constitution
Butifldrm: Oh Lord
Oneness: I hope so
Butifldrm: He may have to
OOTW: Yes
Butifldrm: truly and that would make him a Dictator
Oneness: love to see the rightful rule returned to the peoples
BOBBY: OOTW..... Hope your well tonight
Oneness: Islamic jurisprudence or whatever it’s called
OOTW: ‹@BOBBY› hugs you too
OOTW: the clerics are still strongly inciting the protestors to dissolve the judiciary. Let him suspend it. The people are angry about a lack of justice and buying power. Let the protests grow and let him dissolve the constitution. There's a plan and we just have to let it wash out.
Butifldrm: But truly what I have had read Abadi has said he would abide by the constitution for the reforms
Oneness: @ ootw ... agreed
Butifldrm: OK then I can see that
Butifldrm: Sistani basically is saying Mahmoud is gone
Butifldrm: It's in every article today
OOTW: (RECEIVED WORD THAT ABADI HELD A SPEECH ON IRAQI TV TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE TO BE SUSPENDED IN ORDER TO ENACT REFORMS) - YES AND PERHAPS ABADI HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TO DISSOLVE THE JUDICIARY
Oneness: believe it or not ... theoracry is needed for world peace
Butifldrm: WE all know that no one can be brought to justice unless the reforms are in the judiciary
OOTW: AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE THREE PRESIDENCIES ISSUE/LACK OF "CORRECT" LEGISLATION
OOTW: IDK
OOTW: YES BUTI AND I FEEL VERY GOOD THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOW STICKING TO THEIR SWORDS LOL
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› LOL what's going on now globally is far from World peace
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› I still say Abadi is the Bravest Man In World Politics today
OOTW: HE HAS TO BE AND HE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO KEEP HIS BIG BOY PANTS ON RE IRAN TOO
Butifldrm: Maliki helped write that constitution and so di the US and it was imperfect
Butifldrm: Oh yea
Butifldrm: I see it
Butifldrm: So sad for Iraw
Butifldrm: Iraq
OOTW: YES VERY SAD
Oneness: it a beautiful think for Iraq
OOTW: PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROTESTS CONTINUE AND GROW - UNTIL THE JUDICIARY IS COMPLETELY DISSOLVED
Oneness: growing and growing towards theocracy
OOTW: ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THEY WOULD NEED SOME KIND OF APPOINTED CARETAKER JUDICIARY
Butifldrm: I am so worried for the Sunni's since now the sanctions have been lifted on Iran
OOTW: YES
Butifldrm: The protest are probably mostly Sunni
Oneness: just because America likes the separation of church and state doesn’t mean the rest of the world likes it
OOTW: VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION IN THE FORUM ABOUT IRAN'S SANCTIONS AND INVESTORS PILING IN
OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
OOTW: ‹@Oneness› YES, THAT'S QUITE EVIDENT IN IRAQ
OOTW: []
Oneness: ty
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› there is no more separation between church and State in the US
BOBBY: Amazing how different the cultures are
OOTW: ‹@BOBBY› VERY TRUE
Oneness: ask the pope about church law and American law.... big differences I assure
Butifldrm: The twelve tribes of Abraham
BOBBY: Can’t say I miss that place. [lol]
Butifldrm: ‹@Oneness› I agree, but I know our constitution
Oneness: interesting ... I do agree with the constitution
OOTW: SORRY BUTI, DID I INTERRUPT YOU?
OOTW: YOU SEEMED TO BE ON A ROLL
OOTW: <3
Butifldrm: The constitution was written to keep the government out of the Church not the Church out of the Government HELLLOOOOOOO
Oneness: mostly I agree with the fact it can be amended
OOTW: LOL
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› Oh no!
Butifldrm: You know me
Butifldrm: I am so glad to see you
OOTW: YES AND THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING YOU HAVE MORE INFO
Butifldrm: ok Info on Iraq or the world?
OOTW: THE WORLD WOULD BE GREAT
OOTW: THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ ARE TRYING TO FORCE ISSUES...WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT
OOTW: THE WORLD SITUATION, OVERALL, WOULD BE MORE DIRE, IMHO
Butifldrm: Iraq has no Liquidity and having problems with investors.
OOTW: I HEARD A VERY INTERESTING INTERVIEW ON THE RADIO WITH A SPECIALIST ON CHINA
Butifldrm: The world economic reality makes it harder for Iraq
Butifldrm: IE... the price of oil
OOTW: HE SAID THAT THE PTB RE THE CHINESE STOCK MARKET SPENT A LONG TIME TRYING TO ENCOURAGE INVESTORS TO BOLSTER THE STOCK MARKET AND THAT THAT WAS EFFECTIVELY A FALSE PROP
OOTW: YES TRUE BUTI
Butifldrm: ‹@OOTW› china spent years of building empty cities
OOTW: YEAH
OOTW: HE ALSO SAID THAT YOUNGER CHINESE HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS NOW THAN TO GROW UP AND WORK IN A MANUFACTURING PLANT, SO THAT'S VERY GOOD
Butifldrm: they consumed huge amounts of oil
OOTW: JUST HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, OVERALL, WITH THEIR ECONOMY RIGHT NOW
Butifldrm: they were the market makers
OOTW: YES, I'M SURE....AND DIDN'T CHINA AND RUSSIA EMBARK ON A DEAL?
Butifldrm: now, they are slowing down their economy and IMO because they want to be part of the IMF game
OOTW: THAT MAKES SENSE TY
Butifldrm: Russia and China have been embarking on many games
OOTW: HMMM
Butifldrm: You can't build fake cities that's corruption
Butifldrm: china is addressing their black market too
OOTW: YES, IRAQ ONLY MAKES FAKE CONTRACTS AND DOESN'T GO THROUGH WITH THE PROJECT, EXCEPT THE PART WHERE MONIES CHANGE HANDS LOL
Butifldrm: too
OOTW: WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING - IT SEEMS MANY COUNTRIES ARE NOW BEING FORCED BY PTB TO DEAL WITH CORRUPTION ISSUES
OOTW: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
Butifldrm: It's amazing how many countries are addressing corruption just like Iraq
Butifldrm: LOL
OOTW: LOL
OOTW: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? LACK OF LIQUIDITY?
Butifldrm: yes, except for the US
Butifldrm: the people cannot get their money out of the banks
Butifldrm: hold on'
OOTW: K
Butifldrm: Tootsie posted an article where the people could not get deposits out of the North Bank for a lack of Liquidity
OOTW: oh yes I remember that
Butifldrm: North Bank is in Kurdistan
OOTW: hang on I’ll find it
Butifldrm: now you have to understand
Donnie: A site we don't discuss here 4h4 hours ago.... Economic parliamentary: the investment law will pass next week
Butifldrm: the government has not been paying the people
Donnie: How does he know that??? [lol]
OOTW: HERE'S THE LINK
OOTW: http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1895